Leaving the Message

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In 1949, the Assemblies of God officially denounced the New Order of the Latter Rain movement. In this episode, we examine the resolution line-by-line and explore why Pentecostal leaders viewed certain teachings and practices as dangerous. The concerns included impartation through the laying on of hands, prophetic authority, spiritual elitism, and the growing concentration of power in unelected leaders. We also compare these historical concerns with similar themes that appear in modern apostolic movements and discuss why many of the issues identified in 1949 continue to generate debate today. This episode focuses on the historical record, the language of the Assemblies of God resolution, and the broader context surrounding the Latter Rain revival. ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

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Bethel Church recently released a public statement confirming that it no longer platforms Todd Bentley, Mike Bickle, Sean Bowles, and Bob Hartley. On the surface, that may sound like a simple correction. But when viewed through the lens of church history, prophetic celebrity culture, and the New Apostolic Reformation, the statement raises much deeper questions about platforming, accountability, spiritual authority, and the systems that make charismatic leaders nearly untouchable. In this episode, John Collins and Jed Hartley discuss why Bethel's decision may be a step in the right direction while still leaving the larger problem unresolved. The conversation explores the difference between ordinary visiting ministers and apostolic "platforms," the danger of treating prophets and apostles as divinely endorsed celebrities, the emotional cost to those who warned the public, and why vague apologies often protect institutions more than people. This is not just about four names. It is about the system that elevated them. 00:00 Intro 01:18 Bethel’s statement and the right first step 02:53 Jed reacts to Bethel naming Bob Hartley 07:28 John’s historian perspective 08:36 The bigger issue: platforming people 10:10 Bethel as church, platform, and entertainment industry 14:23 The emotional cost of sounding the alarm 20:24 Why vague statements are not enough 22:57 Platforming vs normal guest ministry 25:45 Four scapegoats or a failed system? 28:50 Website and book promo 29:52 Qualified apology and legal-sounding language 32:29 Jed describes Bethel’s “confidential process” 39:35 Smoke, fire, and whether anything has changed 40:18 Prophecy, coincidence, and platformed authority 44:33 Why truth matters in prophecy and miracles 50:47 Impact, brand, money, and accountability 52:45 Closing ______________________ Roy's Report: https://roysreport.com/bethel-church-promises-reforms-deplatforms-four-men-accused-of-misconduct/ Bethel: https://www.bethel.com/leadership-updates/topics/organizational-health ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

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Did the Latter Rain movement really disappear, or did its ideas continue through new networks that eventually became part of what many call the New Apostolic Reformation? In this episode, we examine the Assemblies of God's 1949 response to the Latter Rain movement and explore why Pentecostal leaders believed the movement posed a serious threat to the future of the church. Using historical documents and denominational records, we walk through the concerns that led the Assemblies of God to formally reject key teachings associated with Latter Rain. We also explore the revival at North Battleford, Saskatchewan, the influence of post-war healing revival culture, the development of apostolic networks, transference-of-power teachings, and the rise of concepts that continue to generate controversy today. Was the 1949 warning justified? And how closely do those concerns resemble modern movements within charismatic Christianity? This episode examines the history and lets listeners draw their own conclusions. 00:00 The Forgotten Assemblies of God Warning 01:13 Latter Rain Divides Pentecostalism 02:51 The 1949 General Council Resolution 03:35 A Checklist for Modern N.A.R.? 04:51 What Was the Latter Rain Movement? 05:44 Franklin Hall and New Doctrines 05:56 North Battleford and the Revival 06:40 Did William Branham Attend? 07:15 Transference of Power Teaching 08:00 The Rise of Five-Fold Ministry Concepts ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

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John examines the Moses model, independent church structures, and the accountability gaps that can allow cover-up culture to continue inside religious movements. He connects Branhamism, Calvary Chapel history, the BITE model, and later revival movements to show how spiritual authority can become dangerous when leaders are treated as untouchable. The discussion focuses on transparency, survivor experiences, authoritarian control, and the repeated use of phrases like “touch not God’s anointed” to silence questions. John explains why the problem is not merely church independence, but independence combined with secrecy, fear, and the protection of reputation over people. 00:00 A Day Of Reckoning In 2007 01:46 Leadership Distance And Responsibility 02:18 How Cover-Up Culture Continues 02:24 Applying The BITE Model Carefully 03:35 Touch Not God’s Anointed 04:30 Cultic Control As A Continuum 05:04 A Major Intersection In Revival History 05:44 The Real Problem With The Moses Model 06:22 Why This Subject Is Personal 07:13 Moses Model And Cover-Up Culture ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

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John examines the early Foursquare connections surrounding Chuck Smith, Louise Webster, Life Bible College, and the Arizona district, asking how these relationships may have shaped the path toward Calvary Chapel and the Jesus Movement. The discussion also connects Foursquare history with William Branham, Phoenix revival networks, and the development of the “Moses model” of untouchable spiritual authority that later appeared across revival culture. Chapters 00:00 Chuck Smith’s Early Foursquare Connection 01:06 Parsonages, Female Ministers, And Foursquare Culture 02:43 The 1940 Census And The Word “Partner” 05:47 Why The Research Matters 06:35 William Branham, Foursquare, And The Moses Model ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

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John and Chris examine how experiences at Gateway Church and Christ for the Nations shaped a deeper investigation into charismatic theology, emotionalism, church authority, and the meaning of spiritual experience. Their discussion follows a personal journey through doubt, church history, and the struggle to separate biblical Christianity from personality-driven religious systems. Along the way, they explore links between modern charismatic practices and older movements such as Montanism, enthusiasm, and revivalist healing traditions. The conversation also looks at how claims of prophecy, miracles, and fresh revelation can shift attention away from the gospel and reshape how Scripture is understood. 00:00 Introduction 01:29 CFNI, Gordon Lindsay, And The Roots Of Healing Revival History 08:37 When “Heroes Of The Faith” Make People Doubt God 14:03 Church History, Gnosticism, Montanism, And Ancient Heresies 22:15 Luther’s “Enthusiasts” And The Problem Of Subjective Revelation 30:17 Gateway Church, NAR Influence, Worship Culture, And Tithing 35:10 Hearing From God, Emotional Pressure, And Scripture Conditioning 43:06 When Gifts, Prophecy, And Anointing Displace The Gospel 48:05 Recommended Reading For Church History And Discernment 54:13 Closing Reflections ______________________ Weaponized Religion: From Christian Identity to the NAR: Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1735160962 Kindle: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DCGGZX3K ______________________ – Support the channel: https://www.patreon.com/branham – Subscribe to the channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCBSpezVG15TVG-lOYMRXuyQ – Visit the website: https://william-branham.org – Follow on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/WilliamBranhamOrg – Follow on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@william.m.branham – Follow on Twitter: https://twitter.com/wmbhr – Buy the books: https://william-branham.org/site/books

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